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yeezevee



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:37 pm    Post subject: I feel hurt when others slam Muslims irrationally: Indian Reply with quote

I feel hurt when others slam Muslims irrationally:
http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=29682#compstory

A, letter in a news paper caught my attention and it may not be relevant to MOHAMMADINIANS, but it is relevant to Millions of Muslims and also to this board.. Let us read and think about it carefully

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I feel hurt when others slam Muslims irrationally (Indian Muslim)

I do not understand VHP's objection or PM's statement of treating Hindus and Muslims equals. Unfortunately, appeasement of a community for vote-bank politics created the problems we are facing today.
And the solution is not appeasement of the majority community a being done by VHP, but equal treatment of all the communities.
...Sid


...... have you lost all your senses or Are you also a VHP activist??? Where is it written that Muslims attacked Sadhvi Ritambhara. Regarding Mahatma Gandhi, Nathuram Ghodse who we all know belonged to which extremist group killed him?

I think everyone knows that. So who has betrayed Mahatma? Then we all know what Hindu extremists can do. [b][i]If a mob can rape a pregnant woman & kill her family then this is more dangerous then any extremists. I am talking of Bilkis Bano case. Look I am just pointing to extremists groups. Just because of behaviour of a few we cannot name a section of society as bad. If that's the way then my question is too that section of society which scripted the Gujarat Riots?[/size]
This despite of fact that Godhra carnage was not planned but an after effect of what passengers on train did at previous station? Anyway a Muslim is as patriot as any other section. Each minority element is patriot. Live & let live.
Indian...


both letters are relevant In Indian context and there is no excuse for what has been done to Muslim children and women such as "Bilkis Bano" in that horrible Godhra carnage of Indian state Gujrat. The question to us is, How to avoid such horrible incidents of killing innocents children and women? the other point is What Is Rational and What Is Irrational Criticism of Islam/Mohammad?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 3:45 am    Post subject: Re: I feel hurt when others slam Muslims irrationally: India Reply with quote

yeezevee wrote:
I feel hurt when others slam Muslims irrationally:

yeezevee


yeezevee,
I suggest you have a look at the following articles. As an Indian Muslim you will be particularly interested
http://www.indiastar.com/wallia10.htm
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/01/49764.html
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typical anti Islam and phobia , Jealous of Islam spread in India , in fact as normal as any kingdom in the world , to establish peace in the regions of rebellion and distablity , mainly Hindu rebel against the king Mohgul , process of wars and killing will occur in wars . But amazingly , Hindu remained in India up today , the Mohgul kings were great builders and inventors and develop art and learning and teaching , plus peace initiator by marrying hindu princesses to eliminate the harted and divisions of India . Tolerence were learned from Muslims rulers , some part of India remained dual religions and multi racial , despite the Gujarat Indian clashes in which 5,000 Muslims killed .
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Quba: Typical anti Islam and phobia , Jealous of Islam spread in India , in fact as normal as any kingdom in the world , to establish peace in the regions of rebellion and distablity , mainly Hindu rebel against the king Mohgul , process of wars and killing will occur in wars . But amazingly , Hindu remained in India up today , the Mohgul kings were great builders and inventors and develop art and learning and teaching , plus peace initiator by marrying hindu princesses to eliminate the harted and divisions of India . Tolerence were learned from Muslims rulers , some part of India remained dual religions and multi racial , despite the Gujarat Indian clashes in which 5,000 Muslims killed .


And Again as usual you have no idea of How Islam spread across the continent dear Quba...please read a bit of history. History of the subcontinent didn't start in 1947 neither with Moghul kings dear Quba..

What did Islam invented dear Quba?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quba wrote:
Typical anti Islam and phobia , Jealous of Islam spread in India , in fact as normal as any kingdom in the world , to establish peace in the regions of rebellion and distablity , mainly Hindu rebel against the king Mohgul , process of wars and killing will occur in wars . But amazingly , Hindu remained in India up today , the Mohgul kings were great builders and inventors and develop art and learning and teaching , plus peace initiator by marrying hindu princesses to eliminate the harted and divisions of India . Tolerence were learned from Muslims rulers , some part of India remained dual religions and multi racial , despite the Gujarat Indian clashes in which 5,000 Muslims killed .


How funny,

I thought the Muslim invaders killed a few Hindus when invading India. In fact: a few thousand. In fact, a few more than that...
Sounds strange to hear that they should bring peace and learned tolerance to Hindus.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:21 pm    Post subject: Re: I feel hurt when others slam Muslims irrationally: India Reply with quote

yeezevee wrote:
--the other point is What Is Rational and What Is Irrational Criticism of Islam/Mohammad?

Someone who believes in Islam/Mohammed is totally irrational. That also means any criticism of Islam/Mohammed is taken as irrational by Muslims. How do you deal with such people?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a well known Muslim characteristic: anything that carries the label Muslim is automaticaly holly and cannot be blamed. In a few centuries, they will pretend that al queda was a confregation of holly men, Bin Laden will be called the "sword of Islam" and will have joined the pantheon of Islamic heroes. 9/11, Bali, Istambul, Casablanca, Madrid, and ????
will be seen as the legal struggle of Islam againts the develish west, ...etc.
That is if there is still an Islam to talk about. On day western countries will be really pissed and then, who know what will happen.

As far as Islam "peaceful" invasion, nobody ever wonder what the big Buddhas did in a 100% muslim country. What happened to the population who built it?
Same thing of Borobudur in Indonesia.
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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2004 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DesertDweller wrote:
It is a well known Muslim characteristic: anything that carries the label Muslim is automaticaly holly and cannot be blamed. In a few centuries, they will pretend that al queda was a confregation of holly men, Bin Laden will be called the "sword of Islam" and will have joined the pantheon of Islamic heroes. 9/11, Bali, Istambul, Casablanca, Madrid, and ????


In a few centuries? I thought it was already happening.
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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2004 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DesertDweller wrote:
It is a well known Muslim characteristic: anything that carries the label Muslim is automaticaly holly and cannot be blamed. In a few centuries, they will pretend that al queda was a confregation of holly men, Bin Laden will be called the "sword of Islam" and will have joined the pantheon of Islamic heroes. 9/11, Bali, Istambul, Casablanca, Madrid, and ????


In a few centuries? I thought it was already happening.
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2004 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What will Europa be like in 50 years? There are now aprox. 17mil. and counting, muslims in Europa. Will we see a new Kristallnacht, sivil war, or total war, or will there be fanbelts for all?
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2004 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quba wrote:
Typical anti Islam and phobia , Jealous of Islam spread in India , in fact as normal as any kingdom in the world , to establish peace in the regions of rebellion and distablity....

It is amazing how easily tunnel-visioned Muslims become, when shown the violent reality of history of Islam. It is ludicrous that they boast about Islam's increase in numbers, and rant about jealousy the rest of the world holds against its success.
Negationism in India - Analysis wrote:
...Many Muslims have started to believe their own rhetoric. If you point out to them that the Quran teaches intolerance and war against the unbelievers in the most explicit terms, many of them will sincerely protest, and not know what to say when you show them the Quranic passages concerned. ....Many nominal Muslims have outgrown Islamic values and developed a commitment to modern values, but their sentimental attachment to the religion imbibed in their childhood prevents them from formally breaking with Islam and makes them paint a rosy picture of it.

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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gujarat Godhra Carnage started off with a bunch of Hindus burnt alive in a locked railway car. Leftist media in India with the assistance of muslims have now downplayed this news item successfully so that the only image that comes up when spoken of Gujarat is the death of muslims during riots.

This summarizes the tragedy that has historically plagued India. Even in the 21st century, Indians fail to come with an official story for Gujarat events. What then can their history say about atrocities perpetrated by muslims in India? Not much. And the leftist Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi controls what goes into Indian textbooks.

Muslims in India have successfully maintained alive the images of muslims suffering in the minds of Indians to a level where most secular minded people in India are openly apologetic to muslims. In fact, this is the right thing to do. However, most Indians, including the media, do not spend any time to reflect on the plight of Hindus in India. Part of the reason is the confused and obfuscated state of History as discussed in official versions in India.

99 out of 100 Indians I met are shocked when I tell them that the Kutib Minar is made of stones from temples that were destroyed in that area. When they see close up shots of the construction and see for themselves, they are shocked with disbelief. My question is: Why do they not know this?

Here is a picture of a pillar in the Quwwat-ul-Islam Mosque near Qutub Minar. This mosque uses many parts from temples that were destroyed in nearby area.


There is nothing Islamic about these pillars in that Mosque:
http://www.planetware.com/photos/IND/IND013.HTM
http://www.planetware.com/photos/IND/IND012.HTM

Most Hindus will proudly speak of an Iron Pillar in an Indian temple that has resisted rusting for centuries and is a symbol of their knowledge of Metallurgy. Well, they do not know that the pillar was long gone from the temple and has been residing in the courtyard of the aforementioned mosque.

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Any write-up about the Qutub Minar will be incomplete without mentioning the fourth century Iron pillar, 7.2 metres high and 37 cms in diameter which stands in the courtyard of the Quwwat-ul-Islam mosque. This pillar with its distinctly Hindu inscriptions from the Gupta period is said to have been transported here but its origins remain a mystery. Another mystifying factor is how this pillar made from 98% pure iron has remained rust-free despite being exposed to the elements.



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The Persian epigraph over the eastern gateway reads: "This fort was conquered and this Jami Masjid built in the months of the year 587 by the Amir, the great, the glorious commander of the Army, Qutb-ud-daula waddin, the Amir-ul-umara Aibeg, the slave of the Sultan, may God strengthen his helpers. The materials of 27 idol temples, on each of which 2,000,000 Deliwal had been spent were used in (the construction of) this mosque. God the Great and Glorious may have mercy on that slave, every one who is in favour of the good builder prays for this faith" (Epigraphia Indo-Moslemica, 1911-12, p 13).


More tragic than the temples destroyed is the vanquished memory of the loss sustained. Even more tragic is the willingness of the masses to stay blind hoping that closing eyes will make it go away.

Tragic indeed.
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are absolutely right. I have had similar experience where the indians are woefully ignorant about history. The Dhimmitude is deeply imbedded in the hindu mind. They are unwiling to speak the truth about their own past because they have been terrified with the propoganda that the muslims will go beserk amongst them and will create a law and order problem. Very similar to what the french are being trained to do right now. The french are dealing with a minority and only for a decade or so. Indian hindus have had to deal with this for a 1000 years! Imagine the Norte Dame being torn down to make a pillar to signify victory and the descendents do not even remember that there used to be a Norte Dame, and then when you tell them and show them they are terrified of uttering it because they are afraid of upsetting the Muslims who will lose their cool and burn a few neighborhoods down!! Ahh, the great chance at playing a lousy dhimmi that the europeans can look forward to!
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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2004 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quba wrote:
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Typical anti Islam and phobia , Jealous of Islam spread in India , in fact as normal as any kingdom in the world , to establish peace in the regions of rebellion and distablity , mainly Hindu rebel against the king Mohgul , process of wars and killing will occur in wars . But amazingly , Hindu remained in India up today , the Mohgul kings were great builders and inventors and develop art and learning and teaching , plus peace initiator by marrying hindu princesses to eliminate the harted and divisions of India . Tolerence were learned from Muslims rulers , some part of India remained dual religions and multi racial , despite the Gujarat Indian clashes in which 5,000 Muslims killed .



Quba, read on and then research for yourself. Truth will indeed set you free.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=13476#13476
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:55 pm    Post subject: an observation Reply with quote

How can one say Muslims are irrational when the Muslims have been chopping off their own penises systematically all to please Allah according to the dictations of Holy Quran and Hadiths? Not only that they even chop off the clitorises of many Muslimahs with equal vigor. When combined with some more ingredients these all add up to Muslim sausage which is so popular all over the Muslim world.
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